#fundie sex reveal

[church-of-beelzebeef]

Please welcome Nestor Caliente II and Nyssa Agape Caliente to the world! Both babies and myself are doing well, praise be to Beelzebeef!

I honestly had no idea I was expecting twins! None of the hospital staff noticed when I went for my gender reveal scan. Just goes to show Sims aren’t perfect -- only Beelzebeef is!

This entire experience has strengthened my faith so much. I had no idea it was possible to feel as grateful, humbled, and obedient to Beelzebeef as I do right now. I can see now that my years of infertility was just another stumbling block on my journey towards serving Her; a way for Beelzebeef to call out to me and bring me closer. I wasn’t living to fully glorify Her and the only way She could show me was to hold back the blessing I so selfishly craved. Now I’ve traversed that rocky terrain and She has honored me twice over. I’m so happy to serve a God as generous and forgiving as Beelzebeef!

[fundie-predictions]

Breaking: It’s Another Boy for Joy and Austin!

Joy and Austin (Duggar) Forsyth announced the sex of their third baby today, November 18, 2022, on their Youtube channel. It’s another boy! Name predictions coming soon.

[fundiebabynamebible]

The sex reveal has to be any day now.

[spurgie-cousin]

That is probably the only good thing about Gil & KJ, that they don't shun their kids for making different choices. Most of the adult girls wear pants and more modern (aka "revealing") clothes and many of them have openly admitted to kissing before marriage. They seem much more open minded about little things like that whereas JB takes it as a personal affront when his children defy him even as adults.

The Bates and the Duggars are very interesting side by side studies lol. The Bates kids are definitely conservative overall, but there are just some fundamental differences which i find so interesting bc they were raised in seemingly near identical environments, with the Bates kids being arguably less privileged for more of their lives.

I guess the most obvious hypothesis for why some fundie kids feel free to make their own decisions about their lifestyles as adults and some are afraid to is that parents like JB rule with more fear and less unconditional love.

The example I always remember is when Michelle and Jinger Duggar were being interviewed together and they were asked about Jinger's decision to wear pants (which was a sort of new thing at the time) and it was so emotional for Jinger to talk about with her mom there she started crying. Or how when Jill was asked about her parents feel about her nose ring or wearing regular swimsuits on instagram (shocking) she made a point to say they were not fans and didn't say much else for a while.

Meanwhile, the Bateses (?) answers to those kind of questions are sooo much more casual, never has either Gil or Kelly said anything negative about the kids making their own choices in that way as adults, they're always very positive and affirming and make a point to say it's their prerogative and they'll love them regardless. And to my knowledge, none of the Bates kids have made a big deal about *coming out* as a pants wearer lol. They've definitely answered questions about it bc people remember them in those neon prairie dresses, but it's always along the same lines, very casual.

That's not to say the Bates have perfect parents, I'm sure there are something things they would definitely not accept from their adult kids based on their values (ahem, same sex partners) but it's just interesting to compare adult kids from super conservative families. It's such a spectrum, like I truly believe is one of Jill Rodrigues's daughters started wearing pants they'd be disowned lol.

[mostlysignssomeportents]

This day in history

For the rest of May, my bestselling solarpunk utopian novel THE LOST CAUSE (2023) is available as a $2.99, DRM-free ebook!

#15yrsago Got a cell-phone? FCC claims the right to search your house https://www.wired.com/2009/05/fcc-raid/

#15yrsago Infinite Typewriters: Goats webcomic collection is transcendantly silly without being forced https://memex.craphound.com/2009/05/20/infinite-typewriters-goats-webcomic-collection-is-transcendantly-silly-without-being-forced/

#15yrsago Fight terrorism by arresting terrorists, not by looking at our genitals at airports https://edition.cnn.com/2009/TRAVEL/05/18/airport.security.body.scans/

#15yrsago Lessig reviews Helprin’s embarrassing infinite copyright, bloggers-are-stupid, Creative Commons is evil book https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-solipsist-and-the-int_b_206021

#10yrsago Podcast: Firefox’s adoption of closed-source DRM breaks my heart https://ia802206.us.archive.org/30/items/Cory_Doctorow_Podcast_273_fixed/Cory_Doctorow_Podcast_273_Firefoxs_adoption_of_closed-source_DRM_breaks_my_heart.mp3

#10yrsago Interviews with & portraits of sex-machine makers https://web.archive.org/web/20140903013303/http://designyoutrust.com/2011/08/sex-machines-photographs-and-interviews-by-timothy-archibald/

#10yrsago Steve Wozniak explains Net Neutrality to the FCC https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2010/12/steve-wozniak-to-the-fcc-keep-the-internet-free/68294/

#10yrsago Disneyland’s original prospectus revealed! https://memex.craphound.com/2014/05/20/disneylands-original-prospectus-revealed/

#10yrsago Jo Walton’s “My Real Children”: infinitely wise, sad and uplifting novel https://memex.craphound.com/2014/05/20/jo-waltons-my-real-children-infinitely-wise-sad-and-uplifting-novel/

#5yrsago That billionaire who paid off a graduating class’s student loans also supports the hedge-fundie’s favorite tax loophole https://archive.nytimes.com/dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/04/10/a-private-equity-titan-with-a-narrow-focus-and-broad-aims/

#5yrsago TOSsed out: EFF catalogs the perverse ways that platform moderation policies hurt the people they’re supposed to protect https://www.eff.org/tossedout

#5yrsago How Warner Chappell was able to steal revenues from 25% of a popular Minecraft vlogger’s channels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZplh8rd-I4

#5yrsago Notorious forum for account-thieves hacked, login and messages stolen and dumped https://krebsonsecurity.com/2019/05/account-hijacking-forum-ogusers-hacked/

#5yrsago A look back at the sales training for Radio Shack’s Model 100, a groundbreaking early laptop https://www.fastcompany.com/90349201/heres-how-radioshack-sold-its-breakthrough-laptop-circa-1983

#5yrsago DRM and terms-of-service have ended true ownership, turning us into “tenants of our own devices” https://www.wired.com/story/right-to-repair-tenants-on-our-own-devices/

#5yrsago Research shows that 2FA and other basic measures are incredibly effective at preventing account hijacking https://security.googleblog.com/2019/05/new-research-how-effective-is-basic.html

#5yrsago A deep dive into the internal politics, personalities and social significance of the Googler Uprising https://fortune.com/longform/inside-googles-civil-war/

#1yrago Dumping links like Galileo dumped the orange https://pluralistic.net/2023/05/20/the-missing-links/#plunderphonics

[plaguethewaters]

in the same vein of me watching things and then immidiately reconnetting them to dsmp, it was time for my annual YOI rewatch and well.

Yurii on ice au with beeduo as victuuri, obviously.

Specifically ranboo as yuuri (with techno being Celestino, fundy being phichit, niki as the one suoer successful ballet dancer that teaches him i think) and tubbo as viktor (tommy is yurio, Wilbur is Yakov, Quackity is Lilia and Jack Manifold is JJ because i think it would be very funny).

Canon follows yoi canon because it does fit reather well with a few adjustments (like tubbo being a Whole Lot less actively sexual than victor is, even if he does not astain from horrible sex jokes all the time) But, for added spiceness, they do not kiss in sochi.

Tubbo is a lot less needy than Victor is after all and a lot more of a little shit that loves annoying others, and Ranboo is a lot more attentive to keeping his secrets secret than yuuri is, so while they Do propose and get married in barcelona they just. don't tell anyone at all. They continue skating in their weird coach-student - competitor kind of situation, tommy is going completely insane because they are so Disgusting and Annoying but he cant talk to anyone about it bc if he ruins the reveal tubbo Will Kill him.

fundy catches on kind of immidiately and keeps trowing way unsubtle hints that just confuse everyone even more. Techno is still kind of offended that his protege left him for some random guy that showed up out of the blue for no reason. Wilbur is losing all of his hair and it is Not gonna get better when tommy asks him to contact big Q for dance lessons. And tubbo is having so much fucking fun.

The ruse is over when ranboo manages to win gold over tubbo three times, the last one breaking Both of tubbo's old world records (for both the sp and the fs). Tubbo accompanies him at the kiss and cry,a s his coach obv, sees the score on the screen, and actively Kiss and Cries before proposing again on the spot. Tommy spends half of his interview lamenting that their stealing his silver medalling spotlight and that they should be stopped.

[fundiebabynamebible]

Also, praise the lord for more confirmation of a boy for Joe and Kendra (he had the same blanket as Truett).

Breaking News: It's A...

Jedidiah and Katelyn are expecting a baby girl due to arrive May 2023.

Baby girl Nora Kate will join big brother Truett.

[batmanisagatewaydrug]

hurling another enrichment pumpkin at you : any thoughts on how Secrets handles its sociopolitical themes? I haven't had the chance to check the podcast out personally so far but from what I've seen on tumblr it seems to take a much less vague approach to those themes than even Unburied did, and considering how multiple people mentioned that the podcast seems a bit rushed, do you think that affected the handling of this too?

one of the things I did really like was removing any ambiguity as to whether or not we're supposed to interpret this version of the Riddler as a Muslim Indian man, and I think it's fair to assume that by extension that this cements Bruce and Barbara as Black and Latina, respectively. I don't think any of those were really controversial opinions, especially per the fandom I see on our glorious hellsite, but the conformation is cool!

I think exploring the way that Eddie's status as a brown man would contribute to his sense of disenfranchisement and resentment for Society is interesting for sure. it's also used to enable some like... COMPELLING bastard behavior that's very specific to him as a man of color, namely misleading the GCPD to arrest some entirely unrelated Indian man that they can't tell apart from Eddie, and the bit where he's having his little tantrum re: his sister's social climbing and insinuates that she probably has a white husband/boyfriend, which is a thing Asian women are FREQUENTLY attacked for in Asian incel communities. interesting move, I applaud.

I was less impressed by how the series handled its humanization of criminals and incarcerated individuals, which I wrote about a lot on this post about the depiction of Azrael. idk, I like that the rogues look out for each other and we get to see the horrors of realizing that you're so dehumanized by society that your vicious murder becomes a meme, that's a perspective on Gotham's rogues that I feel we don't get a lot! but the series seemed to waffle pretty hard on its own stance on this, Batman seems to be operating a pretty different wavelength than he was at the end of Unburied (he's soooo much more of a cop), and I also genuinely don't know what to do with the reveal that this version of King Tut was running a sex cult, especially since literally the only person who criticized him for that was. you know. also responsible for several brutal murders.

at risk of harping on this too much it feels very strange that a series would be so invested in the humanity of villains and then also have an actual antagonist who's as one note as Azrael is made out to be and gets offed with so little fanfare. the series' other big issue seems to be coming down hard on the side of "we hate violent Christian fundamentalists, they're Bad" and like. yeah, I agree, and that obviously ties in very closely with exploring racism and Islamaphobia that the Riddler has grown up experiencing, but as I said in the other post it's also uuuuuh very weird to make Jean-Paul the narrative scapegoat for far right fundie Christians when, in the comics, that's not his bag at all. he's a dangerous and careless Batman, sure, but he's also very much a victim of the Order of St. Dumas, and it feels like both a sloppy use of the character and a WILDLY missed opportunity to explore the church as a corrupt system akin to Strange's medical abuses in Arkham and everything about the GCPD. idk, it feels like Secrets in the Dark just really jettisoned much more interesting potential stories building on Unburied's themes in favor of a much more black and white narrative.

tl;dr I cannot believe that Secrets in the Dark has forced me to point to David S. Goyer as a comparative paragon of nuance and taste!!! what!!!

[sadieshavingsex]

I think that the way evangelicalism wires neural pathways near-fundamentally (ha ha) destroys certain experiences and concepts. Like, anyone can change, but I think it could take me many many years to get there. I’m thinking of this idea today particularly in terms of consent.

I am so lucky that despite becoming evangelical, I went to a fantastic college with no religious affiliation where I realized being a fundie probably wasn’t for me. While there, I remember everyone made a huge deal about consent. I was looking back at some old college newspaper articles from when I went to school there, and it seems like I was there during this time when the school was making a shift toward enthusiastic consent. As I go back and read some of the articles that I remember reading—or at least hearing about—as an undergrad, I can see how the concept of consent can very quickly lose all meaning when someone already lives a life where they are constantly coerced into certain viewpoints.

If this feels like a really triggering conversation for you, please protect your peace in whatever way you need! If you'd like to read on, I'm going to discuss a little bit about my own personal sexual experiences that seem to fall in a consent gray area, and how looking back at these experiences has caused me to begin to see consent as a concept that loses meaning in the context of the evangelical church.

Evangelicalism has very strict rules for when you are allowed to express your sexuality, and I feel like it largely steals your ability to consent as a result. It takes away your sexual self-concept. Even now, several years out of church, I can scarcely imagine a world where I would ever initiate a sexual relationship with someone who wasn’t my husband. In my mind, I may never be able to give enthusiastic consent outside of that situation. I will always be plagued by doubts and fears and the massive weight of GUILT. Sex outside of marriage might always be bad and wrong in my mind, no matter how I spin it. As a result, I get nervous and preoccupied when asked to give consent, because it's simply not going to be an enthusiastic thing. There are too many negative thoughts swirling around in my head, and this state really makes it difficult to have a fulfilling sex life. I feel like I'm doing something wrong and irresponsible by not being 100% certain about having sex, but I don't realistically think I'm ever going to get to that point outside of marriage. I’ll tell you a little about how this problem plays out in my life.

When I started falling in love with my current partner, Sam, he said that we shouldn’t become a couple because he enjoyed having sex with his partners, and he knew how I felt about that. He didn't want us to get into a situation where I felt obligated to do anything sexual with or for him, so he figured it was just best not to date and open that can of worms. I’d said terrible things about sex a zillion times—I could not possibly fathom the feelings of guilt, dread, terror, etc. that I knew I would feel after orgasming with someone else. (For me, orgasm was always the tipping point. As a kid, if I didn’t orgasm, I didn’t count the whole thing as that bad of a sin.)

Sam initially suggested that maybe I'd just had bad experiences or neglectful partners before, but I made it clear that I'd always orgasmed and all that. I really wanted to be with Sam, but I revealed to him that I didn’t like sex because it made me feel personally bad, outside of any church messaging. I enjoyed the buildup, but ever since I was a kid, I had always felt low after orgasming, and that made it feel like something that wasn't worth it. Sam tried to dig far beyond that explanation. We continued discussing sex, which sometimes felt uncomfortable to me. I felt somewhat pressured, but I think he was genuinely trying to get to the bottom of why I didn’t like it if I admitted it felt good until the orgasm, the part I had always conceptualized as the sinful moment. I think he had a hunch that even though I was a fairly anti-church person, I’d adopted this view of sex from the time I had spent deeply involved in the church.

I couldn’t remember a time when I had sex or touched myself without thinking that I was doing something wrong. I can’t even really remember being told that it was wrong. But in my mind I knew it was. So pretty much since I started masturbating, I had always been trying to stop. In my mind, getting “sober” from sex had always been a huge part of my personality and life journey.

I think I always kind of knew that this would be a problem for me, because in the abstract sense, I actually did want sex. I sometimes read nsfw fanfiction and had to bend the rules of it by imagining that the characters were married. You know what I mean? In terms of exploring sexually, I think that I also enjoyed getting as close as possible to orgasm, but if I went over the edge, the wave of self-hate would settle in.

Before I became really close friends with Sam, I wondered about how to communicate this issue if we ended up together. I didn’t want to date people who would never want to have sex (like, for instance, another sex-repulsed person), because I did feel sexual attraction and want to have sex at some point. I just couldn't imagine that being something I would do before I got married, or at least engaged. So, in my mind, the next option would have been a Christian person. But I didn’t want to date a Christian person because I wanted to be seen as a human being, not property. I wanted to have intellectual conversations and feel understood and cared for and that had not always been the case when I had my fundie boyfriend. So I guess I ideally wanted a partner exactly like me: a hardcore leftist who wanted sex but only after marriage. A little tough to find.

I was falling for Sam and I really wanted it to work out between us, and despite the fact that we had said we wouldn’t date, we kept moving in that direction. It was a pull! We were falling in love! With the last guy I’d been with who had wanted sex, I’d figured out a compromise—we did the awful dry humping thing even though we were well past being teenagers. So, after I finally kissed Sam, I decided we should try that as a compromise that both of us were comfortable with. With the last guy, I had always been able to just hop off when I was getting too close.

But with Sam it was really difficult. I loved the person I was kissing. I wanted to make him feel good. I had visions that we would be together for so long. I thought it had to be true that we’d eventually have sex. I also felt probably more than a little pressured—in his mind, not dating protected me from feeling like I had to give him sex, but in my mind, my ability to have sex would open the ability to date. I think that I was thinking about all this and probably more at the time. Whatever the case, I accidentally orgasmed.

Here's what happens after that: I'm shocked and start crying, he’s holding me and saying how proud he is that I’m working through this and I’m so brave, it actually happens a second time because then I feel a little like if it's happened once how can another time be that bad, I go home and think to myself that it’s good that I finally did something instead of being paralyzed out of fear, but I also think maybe I'm just repeating his words, his concept of the situation. In the coming days and weeks, I start trying to ease myself into touching myself, into letting myself experience that, and also into letting myself experience sex with him, but I’m wondering if this is even something I want. My body is so resistant to it. But of course now I’m putting the expectation on myself that I've done it once and should do it again (Sam keeps trying to tell me he never expects anything of me, he just wants me to be happy and do what I really want without the influence of him or religion). And sometimes, in rare moments when I feel free of all pressure, I really would like to try sex. Slowly but surely, we do, but sometimes I feel bad afterward, and even beforehand, so that it can be hard to start.

How does consent even factor into this scenario? I said, "no, I can’t do that." I ended up doing it. Sometimes I decide I want to. Sometimes I’m deathly afraid. I often worry that maybe the initial scenario happened because I felt pressured into it. But at the same time, I live in a post-evangelical mindfuck where I would have been too stubborn and too scared to ever let it happen otherwise. My mind is completely blocked when it comes to the idea of beginning a sexual relationship with someone before marriage. I can understand how to continue one, but if I ever end up in another relationship, I assume that I’ll just revert back to never having sex until I accidentally do. This was essentially what happened in my first relationship as well. I said “no, no, no,” got closer and closer out of curiosity or pressure or what have you, accidentally orgasmed one day, and then had ups and downs of total sexual dysfunction—the only difference is that in that relationship I was still evangelical, which made the fear and self-doubt exponentially worse.

When you’re in this brainwashed evangelical mindset, there is no option to consent without hellfire and damnation, so if you really believe the teachings and develop a suffocatingly intense sense of self-control (which of course is posited as a good thing in these spaces) you just don’t. There is no space to give enthusiastic consent before marriage. It’s very likely that you get to a point where you only have sex “by accident” or in a way that you characterize as “just a mistake.” And using that language only affirms those sexual experiences as taboo and obviously wrong, painful, etc. The grooves become so deep in your brain, of course you struggle with the ability to ever see sex as good and wanted, even though you keep having it and—god forbid—may even want to explore it!!

This is something that I’ve become really passionate about considering lately because I hate the feeling that I have to interrogate and narrativize the first time I orgasmed with my current partner—I wonder to myself whether I felt pressured, whether I really wanted to orgasm or not, whether it was okay to do, whether he was hurting or helping me, whether our intentions for each other were good so it’s okay, etc etc and on and on. I love my partner and I don’t want to think that he did something unforgivable, but the evangelical programming in me wants to say that of course I didn’t want it, I was pressured, because it’s impossible for me to want it because I know how bad it is.

It took this experience of the accidental orgasm to crack open a possible escape from that seemingly unbreakable evangelical thought chamber. This experience that is bittersweet and scary. Because evangelicalism stole the tools for me to be able to experience sex in an empowering way through enthusiastic consent. I’m not very in touch with my body and my sexuality. Sometimes just thinking about sex causes an almost indescribable gloom to descend over me—I genuinely feel like my heart rate slows and I go into a mini-hibernation, I guess because the task of thinking about this stuff is so difficult. I know I never would have said yes without this “accident,” but I don’t even know how to understand if I wouldn’t say yes because I genuinely don’t want it even though it feels good, or if I wouldn’t say yes because I’ve been programmed not to want it since before I even knew what sex was. It doesn’t feel fair to struggle this intensely to develop this kind of self-concept, especially when not developing it threatens to poison healthy and supportive relationships with confusion around consent.

I still rarely ever give enthusiastic consent—my phrase of choice is “let’s just try,” because I have to allow myself the opportunity to back out, the non-committal space to even just attempt an experience that I think I might want but am also deathly terrified of. Often, once I get into it, the fear goes away.

[fundiebabynamebible]

It's a boy for Carlin and Evan

I KNEW they were having a boy.

[fundie-predictions]

Wissmann-Duggar #1 is a girl!

As previous Instagram stories hinted, Jeremiah and Hannah Wissmann-Duggar did a sex reveal today, October 10, 2022, for their first child. As I predicted, it’s a girl! Name predictions coming soon!

[spurgie-cousin]

Gotta love that: a picture of two people, staring into the distance, no touching, no body language to show any interest for each other, no talking, no anything. Fundiesnarkers are suspicious. How do I explain that to anybody not involved? But you are right: I am intrigued to know when Jill has one of her special announcements. Gender reveal or courting- what’s next?

(this was sent before Kaylee revealed she was pregnant, sorry y'all I'm doing a catch up right now)

🤣 right, imagine having to explain it to a normal.......personally I think it's pretty concrete evidence of a relationship, or at least that they're 'getting to know' each other. Rodrigues-flavored fundies just don't do stuff like that for no reason, close opposite-sex friendships aren't a thing in that world (outside of your family). It would be one thing if his siblings were also scattered amongst the Coverett kids, but just him is very suspish.

Now that we know about Kaylee, I wonder if Tim's relationship announcement will be next? The only thing that makes me pause is Jill not jumping the gun and leaking it to everyone bc I know she'd be chomping at the bit to tell everyone, but Tim also is the only one of her kids with his own social media presence. So maybe he's trying to keep it on the DL to avoid any backlash at the Coveretts (anyone who's seen an unfiltered comment section on his videos probably knows what I'm talking about lol).

[phantom-swing]

I’ve been thinking a lot about last names in Dream SMP

Alright so using the only three (technically four but Yogurt doesn’t have a last name so we’re ignoring him in this research) generation family who are all biologically related to each other, we can see that last names don’t follow real world rules.

See: Phil’s full name is Philza Minecraft but his son’s full name is Wilbur Soot, not Wilbur Minecraft

Previously, it was popular belief that in the SMP, the men would take their wife’s last name. So Sally the Salmon is Sally Soot and Kristen/ Samsung Smart Refrigerator is Kristen Minecraft/ Samsung Smart Refrigerator Minecraft and Phil and Wilbur changed their last names accordingly.

HOWEVER, due to Fundy revealing his full cannon name, that theory no longer holds up.

Fundy isn’t canonically married so his last name should still be Sally’s last name, but his last name is canonically Dy, not Soot

Therefore, I offer the theory that when one gets married in the SMP, the couple keeps their last names but their child gets their mother’s last name. So its actually Kristen Soot/ Samsung Smart Refrigerator Soot and Sally Dy

This theory does sort of hold up with Tubbo and Ranboo keeping their last names (Tubbo_ and Ranboo Beloved) but Michael being named Michael_Beloved does complicate things. However, Michael has 2 dads and no mum, so the whole ‘gets their mother’s last name’ doesn’t quite apply. Thus, it is safe to assume in same-sex marriages the child can have either or both of the parents last names (Like in real life)

So, assuming that Dream WasTaken is indeed Connor EatsPants’s canonical father, I present, according to Dream SMP cannon:

Princess Elise EatsPants The Third

or if y’all wanna get real cursed-

Sonic EatsPants the Hedgehog

[religion-is-a-mental-illness]

Why have you been posting stuff from Matt Walsh lately? Isn't he one of those conservative idiots mad at the world for having gays and Trans people in it or whatever, or am I misinformed? I assume you just agree with those few specific things he said, but what's your opinion on him overall?

To be honest, I never really knew who he was. I'd heard his name around, but wasn't sure who he was or what he does.

I have no affinity with nor allegiance to him, and I suspect we would disagree on very many topics. However, in the current climate of terror and vacuum of honesty on the topic, it seems it's up to the conservatives to make this sort of film. And I appreciate him for doing that and for making it such an easily accessible argument.

Having watched it, I saw very little of his politics in it. He came informed, but he asked sincere questions. When the person responded, he asked for them to clarify or elaborate, and that usually was enough to reveal the problem. Basically, the Socratic method. Which anyone can use. Most of the ideologues in it had clearly never been probed or really questioned about the meaning of what they were saying, and either got tangled up or offended that anyone would question them. Obviously it was edited down from longer form interviews into a 90-ish minute film, but that's going to be true for any such production.

I haven't dug into Matt's specific views on many topics. Partly because he's a shit-stirrer, which itself I kind of appreciate, but it makes it harder to glean from his Twitter feed what he thinks vs what he's saying to make a point.

For what it's worth, I've found that most conservatives, other than the really fundie Xian types, don't give a shit about whether you're gay or trans (I mean, actually trans, with GID, not the "girls who don't like pink are boys or something else" kind). For example:

https://www.advocate.com/law/2022/6/09/homosexuality-voted-be-struck-pennsylvanias-criminal-code

Pennsylvania’s House of Representatives unanimously voted Wednesday to strike the word “homosexuality” from the state’s criminal code, where it had been listed in the definition of prohibited sex acts. Supporters say said the word doesn’t belong since being gay isn’t a crime, according to the Associated Press. “This bill provides a long-overdue update to our crimes code to ensure nobody is prosecuted because of who they love,” said state Rep. Todd Stephens, a Republican who also introduced the bill. “Eliminating this archaic language will also help promote a culture of acceptance and inclusion for our LGBTQ community across Pennsylvania.” Stephens had first introduced the bill last year, according to Patch. Pennsylvania’s law against sex work defines sexual activity so that it references “homosexual and other deviate sexual relations.” The new definition that has been sent to the state’s Senate now reads “includes sexual intercourse and deviate sexual intercourse ... and any touching on the sexual or other intimate parts of an individual for the purpose of gratifying sexual desire of either person,” according to the AP. “Homosexuality” was also struck from the definition of sexual conduct, the news wire reports, in a section covering “obscene and other sexual materials and performances.” “In this General Assembly, sadly, it’s a huge lift to merely agree that being gay shouldn’t be illegal,” Democratic Rep. Dan Frankel said.

Frankel urged lawmakers to go further and pass antidiscrimination legislation protecting LGBTQ+ people.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-lgbt-poll/most-republicans-support-same-sex-marriage-for-first-time-gallup-idUSKCN2DL294

LONDON (Thomson Reuters Foundation) - A majority of Republicans in the United States support same-sex marriage for the first time, a Gallup poll found on Wednesday, with a record 70% of all respondents backing gay weddings. The research shows a significant increase in approval of same-sex marriage since 2015, when it was legalised nationwide following a Supreme Court ruling and 60% of Americans told Gallup they were in favour of gay marriage.

The idea that conservatives are, by default, anti-LGBT people isn't any more true than that progressives are all pro-Choice.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/06/18/three-in-ten-or-more-democrats-and-republicans-dont-agree-with-their-party-on-abortion/

Overall, roughly one-third of Americans who identify as Republican or as Republican-leaning independents do not agree with their party on abortion (35%), including 12% who say they agree with the Democratic Party on abortion and 23% who say they do not agree with either party. Among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents, three-in-ten do not agree with their party on abortion, including 7% who say they agree with the GOP and 22% who say they don’t agree with either party.

We also need to note how some of the most vicious homophobia is currently coming from supposedly "progressive" people, in what's being dubbed "Homophobia 2.0" - an intolerance for homosexual people to be attracted to people of the same ("homo") sex. And erasure even by the LGBT groups that pretend to serve them. Which isn't to say that conservatives are better than progressives, but that it isn't that black and white.

I've said before that driving a car requires using both pedals. If you keep your foot on the brake, you never go anywhere. If you floor it, you're going to go careening off a cliff. In a functional liberal society, all ideas get a chance, but not all ideas survive. The US and other countries need sane, liberal progressive and conservative wings to provide those healthy, competing forces. Which right now they seem to be lacking.

I have no allegiance to either, so I can agree with Matt, or find value in what he's saying on a topic without pain or discomfort, and disagree with him on other things, particularly his Catholicism, or, say, if he opposes LGBT adoption, for example.

Similarly, many Xians and I can both agree that Islam is a threat; some of them have a secular view, others object to Islam because it threatens their desire to Xianize everything. But it means that David Wood of Acts17Apologetics can have a point about what the quran and hadith say that makes Islam false. And I can roll my eyes and have trouble taking him seriously that he doesn't spot the same problems in his own superstitions.

The rejection of a valid argument or point based on who it originates from is itself a fallacy.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic

genetic You judged something as either good or bad on the basis of where it comes from, or from whom it came. This fallacy avoids the argument by shifting focus onto something's or someone's origins. It's similar to an ad hominem fallacy in that it leverages existing negative perceptions to make someone's argument look bad, without actually presenting a case for why the argument itself lacks merit.

As I say, I don't know much about him, so don't have a strong opinion of him. I don't know that we would agree on much, and I don't know that we could even be "friends." But I don't hate the fact he exists - when progressives are being idiots, there should be people to mock and validly show them up, just as there should be the same for when conservatives are being idiots.

The most important thing is whether or not the point is justified.

[sapphire-innit]

I'm not gonna apologize for there being a break because this is a hobby and I do this at my own pace lol. THAT SAID, let's hop back in!

Vod: Tommy's Exile Is Coming To A Close (rp) oh man here's the drowning again. At least Ranboo and Niki are greeting him in chat that's cute

of COURSE its raining lol, very Moody

...don't like that Tommy is actually looking forward to Dream visiting. The gaslighting is really setting in. He's not eating enough either

Tommy's always moving around, he's such an active character, so it REALLY hits when he freezes, even just for a moment or two. Yes this is in response to the funny Lazerbeam lava death comment that somehow turned very sad very quickly lol

He's very openly talking about his death too. And his skin is even worse I think, hes got SUCH bags under his eyes.. and ALSO THIS IS STILL HIM TALKING ABOUT HOW TO SEX 3 afdfd

Chat: "This is so sad and so funny at the same time" I saw that smirk cc!Tommy, you know exactly what you are doing!! LOL he broke face for juuuust a second cause that's EXACTLY the tone he's going for

I am a bit .. concerned about HTS3, because so far every time hes tried to write things down, its hmm. Been revealing to say the least

...I'm still nervous about when Dream is gonna log on, even while he's going on about the 'thinking palace'. Its... impressive how much I actually dread that, and how well they've conditioned me to expect it

adfsfdsfds Ranboo how did I laugh at that '''joke''' omg. Tommy was so happy to get mail though :( and yeah like I thought every time he tries to write things it gets sad. It's a really good storytelling device: cc!Tommy is using it to be more explicit and I think that's pretty clever actually

I can't help but wonder how carefully coordinated these exile streams are, especially this deep into the arc. Like, did cc!Tommy go on the discord before this and tell them to not visit today? Obviously Dream visits are coordinated, but I'm just a bit curious about the back end of things

"Visit Techno? no no, what would Dream think" >:(

"I wanna go and see someone, I wanna go somewhere, I wanna meet people. You know now and then it just re hits me that I actually, I actually just can't, can I" ;-;

He's self-soothing and it hurts

"My time with Tubbo has come and gone" "He chose against it" excuse me, just CRYING FOREVER NOW ;-; ;-; ;-;

...it really is disturbingly like a suicide note isn't it, with all this talk of it being his final thing to do

The days when he's not visited really set in the depression don't they? cc!Tommys still good at balancing the tone so it doesn't get too sad but SHEESH

Tommy's gotten pretty good at building actually, like he's not perfect or anything but the thinking palace looks pretty good for what it is

Its actually been half the stream without Dream thank fuck

...he's thinking about it, about going into the nether portal. GOD I'm so worried and upset because I DON'T want to see what Dream would do if he broke his exile, even knowing he wouldn't kill him most likely.

"Why did I do this, why did I make it harder for people to come visit me" !!! ahhhh realization of self-destructive tenancies fuck, and just after he almost visited L'manburg tooooo

"I'm going to revamp this, why did I do this???" *Immediately stares into the lava for SEVERAL seconds* f u c k

"Chat what is Tubbo's favorite block" Aaaaaaaaaaaa

:( :( Ranboo IMMEDIATELY willing to help WE STAN A TOMMY STAN

the fuckign GHASTS I'M!! what a tone switch!!! TOMMY WHY DO YOU NOT HAVE A BOW I MEAN I KNOW WHY BUT STILL afdfdf

those fucking jumps in the path scare me and now there's a HOLE IN THE PATH this is so fucking DANGEROUS afdsfssdf someone is totally gonna fall in that

awww cc!Wilbur watching the stream even when hes away thats so sweet <3

"...and Ill put cobblestone in the middle and everyone will come see me!" does this feel like Bargaining to anyone else? Just me? alright...

"And then we fight, we fight for everything we have left" ;u;

NIKI!!!!!!

this is gonna go so poorly!!! I hate it!!! (also don't talk over her tho pls)

is Ranboo also in the chat? Ranboo & Niki friendship underrated for sure lol

"How have you been" "................good" you can see the decision to Lie omg adfsdf

ah actually getting a fire res potion BEFORE falling into lava, one can Hope

lol Ranboo and Niki having so much trouble getting back to spawn RIP them, FUNDY why did you take them so far away and then LEAVE

"how can I be with other people and still be so alone" oof yeah thats the true bitch about what Dream's doing isn't it :(

adsfsdfsf accidentally almost getting himself banned from Twitch ALSO HOLY SHIT TOMMYYYY DON'T JUMP LIKE THAT OMG

also who the heck was chanting "do a flip" in chat holy shit what is this thirst for blood

lol asking RANBOO of all people for hot takes adfsafdf

ohnoooo almost twitch ban NUMBER 2 aadfdfws

also who the fuck was spamming nsfw copy pasta in his chat adfsfd

LOL what is the drug conversation Niki is trying to do???? What is happening???? FUNDY WHAT DID YOU TELL THEM

"I feel too old to be in this conversation" MOOD NIKI, MOOD lmaooo I love you

adfdf Tommy how can you even be mean to Niki, shes so sweet and sounds so upset about it lol

do I even WANT to know what the Dream twitter drama was????

LOL always laugh when a cc bails out of a joke lmao its so funny to me for some reason

SHES RIGHT AND SHE SHOULD SAY IT!!!!!!!! BEST HOT TAKE, REDDIT SUCKS LMAOOO ABSOLUTELY CORRECT

he keeps almost spleefing Ranboo adfdsfs

aww lol he actually is being careful after being told off lmao ohnooooo "That was worse than the time Wilbur shouted at me for being in his office. It's like being told off by the quiet teacher" NIKI IS SO DISTRESSED omg adfdsfdswfds

I think cc!Tommy did not realize the power that he wields....

OH NIKI'S SKIN IS SO CUTE!!!!

"Just a really long cross, Jesus was tall!" omg Ranboo that was actually clever

lol and now Jack is here ! nice

"Do a flip" CHAT WHY ARE YOU LIKE THIS

[fundiebabynamebible]

Well that was quick. I think it’s a girl.

The sex reveal for Forsyth #3 will be uploaded to YouTube on Friday